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PaMommy
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I WAS Searching with web for any anwsers i could get to help with blocked tubes,and I'm not sure if anyone has came across this yet or if it is any good at all. But worth a short maybe someone has done one of these. sorry i am not good at just a link so i'll copy&paste.


{have been taking notes via the internet on HERBAL medicines and thought I would share. You can review everything and make a decision from there; some are repetative so read thoroughly:
Vitex (also called Chaste Tree)
Recommended Daily Dosage Take one capsule two to three times daily for eight to twelve weeks. Thereafter take one capsule daily. Vitex works slowly so it is best if used long term.
red raspberry leaf tea
Flaxseed Oil tablet(one 1250 mg)
baby asprin (each day)The Chinese herbs, Leonurus (Yi Mu Cao) aka MOTHERWORT and Siegesbeckia (Xi Xian Cao), when used together, have been shown to open up blocked fallopian tubes in clinical research studies done in China. The majority of women responded to treatment within 10 days.

In certain conditions, electro-acupuncture (EA) treatment
can be used. Electro-acupuncture is the usage of electric impulse stimulation through the acupuncture needles in affected areas and is utilized in more severe pain conditions, anovulation, fallopian tubal blockages, and to improve implantation in cycles using assisted reproductive technology. It's also a pain-free treatment with minor vibration in the effected area. This is from[url] http://www.nycacupuncture.com/resolve.html [/url]

Case 4
A woman in North Carolina was told by her doctor that she would never get pregnant because her fallopian tubes were blocked. By reducing her estrogens with Chinese Bitters and Coptisin addition to daily morning exercise and Taheebo tea, she became pregnant in 3 months. It appears that her fallopian tubes were blocked by estrogen supported growth. When her estrogens were reduced due to more efficient liver, the growth shrank and her tubes were unblocked. http://www.sensiblehealth.com/prime.html#Coptis
Para-aminobenzoic acid (PABA)
is a B vitamin which stimulates the pituitary gland and sometimes restores fertility to a woman.
Red Cloveris promoted by being a blood cleanser. This herb has been shown to be rich in coumestans and isoflavones, estrogen like compounds that may promote fertility, particularly in women who are deficient in estrogen.
yellow dock
wild yam
chamomile
skullcap
dong quai(This natural remedy not only strengthens the uterus and regulates hormonal imbalance but helps with menstrual cycle woes like cramping and irritability. Don Quai is a great herb to take to promote the regulation of cycle regularity)
Black cohoshbalances hormones
False unicorn, wild yam help increase fertility

*** Recipe #1 ***
Take Whole Cycle:
1 Prenatal Vitamin Daily
1 Baby Aspirin Daily
1 B6 Vitamin in the morning (Not more than 100mg)
1 B-50 Complex in the evening

From Cycle Day 1 until Ovulation:
Two Vitex, 500mg Capsules in the morning
Two Vitex, 500mg Capsules in the evening

From End of Period until Ovulation:
Robitussin: :full strength as if you have a bad cough. Label Directions: adults and children 12 years and over, 2-4 teaspoonsfuls every 4 hours. Do not take more than 6 doses in any 24 hour period. Consult label for accuracy, warnings, and ingredients. Active ingredient: Guaifenesin ONLY

After 6 months of accupuncture and herbs another lady is now 10 weeks PG with baby #1 at age 40.
The names of the herbs prescribed for her were:
Chaste Tree (Vitex fruit)this is recommended for all women to get fertility drugs out of their system and get hormone levels back to normal
Cataplex Fwhich has flaxseed oil and other cleansing items- I still take flaxseed oil each day because it will increase my baby's brain power as it grows
Catalyn 2160- this is a multivitamin supplement
Thytrophin PMG - is for my thyroid which was out of balance due to pre-menapause
Fertile Garden by Health Concepts (90 capsuls 29.99 X 3 a day; ingredients are as noted on web site:
· CHASTEBERRY (Vitex agnus-castus)
enhances hormone balance and ovulation frequency
· GREEN TEA, VITAMIN E, and SELENIUM
are antioxidants for the improvement of overall reproductive health
· L-ARGININE is an amino acid that stimulates the reproductive organs by improving circulation
· VITAMINS B6 and B12, FOLIC ACID, IRON, MAGNESIUM, and ZINC help address specific deficiencies that are known to impact fertility. Someone said it also has Dong Qui in it - this is the last herb she prescribed after she got my hormones in balance.....it got me pregnant! Beware, it is not recommended once you get Pregnant
Email from Fertile Garden:

quote:"Dear Ms. Baumgartner,
The therapeutic effects of Fertile Garden include replenishing the yin of the liver and kidneys and regulating the flow of liver qi. It may be useful as part of an herbal protocol to treat hydrosalpinx of the fallopian tubes. However, we must recommend that the patient with this condition seek guidance from her local practitioner for prescription of this formula. It is our policy to sell our formulas only through licensed and certified health practitioners. Since we have no direct medical contact with the public, we can only disclose information regarding our herbal formulas to the health professionals we sell to.
If you are a licensed health professional seeking further information about Fertile Garden or other herbal formulas that we sell, please fax to us a copy of your credentials so that we can discuss herbal treatments with you in more detail.
Thank you for your interest in Health Concerns.
Regards,
Belinda Jones Health Concerns 8001 Capwell Drive Oakland, CA 94621 Phone: 1-800-233-9355 Fax: 510-639-9140"


Ingredients of OVULEX
(as noted on http://www.ovulex.com/ ; single bottle $74.95)
· Chaste tree berry (Vitex agnus-castus): This herb stimulates the release of luteinizing hormone (LH) from the pituitary gland in the brain. This, in turn, promotes ovulation. Chaste tree berry may restore normal periods in women with amenorrhea (lack of menstrual periods).
· Dong quai (Angelica sinensis): Widely used for female complaints, including menstrual irregularities and infertility, dong quai can tone a weak uterus by promoting metabolism within the organ and regulating hormonal control and improving the rhythm of the menstrual cycle.
· Red clover blossoms (Trifolium pratense): These beautiful little flowers are categorized in many herbals as fertility promoters. Chemical analysis shows that the herb is rich in coumestans and isoflavones, estrogenlike compounds that may promote fertility, particularly in women who are deficient in estrogen.
· Licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra): This plant contains hormonally active compounds categorized as saponins. A Japanese study found licorice-based medicines improved menstruation in women with infrequent periods. The study also found that licorice helped women with elevated testosterone and low estrogen levels, which is a common occurance in polycystic ovary disease.
· Siberian ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus): This and other tonic botanicals can improve fertility by enhancing overall health and vitality. Siberian ginseng also acts on the brain to promote regulation of reproductive hormones.
· Feminene www.goliquid.unfranchise.com $24.95 ******This herbal capsulet may have the most of ingredients as listed in these notes at the most inexpensive price; go to their web site to view the product label****

Avlimil (free 30 day supply 4.95 shipping) [url]http://www.4avlimil.com/ [/url]
Salvia officinalis (Sage leaf)
A primary component of Avlimil, sage leaf has a long history for its use as a medicinal herb. Sage Leaf helps relieve mental exhaustion and enhances the ability to concentrate. Refreshed and alert, women are better able to enjoy the physical and emotional pleasures of being with their partners. Sage also contains estrogenic substances and is a natural antiperspirant. It has been traditionally used during menopause to help the body deal with hormonal changes and hot flashes.
Rubus idaeus (Red raspberry leaf)
Red Raspberry has been dubbed the “Vine of Female Vitality.” The leaf of the vine is the part that is most often used as herbal medicine. Medical journals have published studies describing the normalizing effect Red Raspberry Leaf extract has on the uterus. Traditionally, midwives and herbalists claim that it also helps tone the ligaments of the uterus to ease childbirth and regulate menstrual flow.
Isoflavones (from kudzu root extract and red clover extract)
Avlimil provides isoflavones derived from Kudzu Root and Red Clover extracts. If estrogen levels are low, these isoflavones are reported to act as “weak estrogens.”
Morella cerifera (Bayberry fruit)
Bayberry Fruit a strong herbal stimulant, bringing a sense of heat and vitality to the body. Bayberry has many useful properties for the body, assisting with circulation and toning all the tissues it contacts. It is especially beneficial for uterine and vaginal health.
Capsicum annuum (Capsicum pepper)
Capsicum Pepper has been used for centuries to enhance blood circulation. Capsicum contains capsaicin, a chemical that stimulates various neurotransmitters. A small amount of capsaicin excites the nervous system into producing endorphins, which promote a pleasant sense of well-being and heighten sexual responsiveness.
Turnera diffusa (Damiana leaf)
Damiana Leaf is an uplifting and energizing South American herb that has been used traditionally as an aphrodisiac. For more than 100 years, Damiana’s use has been associated with enhancing sexual function. It helps estrogen production and can be helpful for menopausal problems. It also helps support muscle activity, which is a part of healthy sexual activity.
Zingiber officinale (Ginger root)
Ginger Root has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for 2,500 years. It supports a healthy cardiovascular system. Homeopathic practitioners recommend it to assist with sexual health.
Glycyrrhiza glabra (Licorice root)
Licorice Root is known to act as a sexual stimulant, bringing oxygen to the genital area and increasing endurance and vitality. The herb contains plant estrogens, producing mild estrogenic effects that have been helpful for women with menopause and for women dealing with menstruation. It does this by helping to strengthen the adrenal glands and helping them to produce their hormones. Licorice Root is also an excellent anti-stress herb.
Valeriana officinalis (Valeriana root)
Valerian Root has a calming effect on the nervous system. It is good for the entire circulatory system and soothes muscles, nerves, and blood vessels. Additionally, Valerian Root helps promote normal sleep patterns.
Actaea racemosa (Black cohosh root)
Black Cohosh Root contains a natural estrogen that is similar to human estrogen and helps with joint function, blood pressure, stress, menstruation and menstrual cramps, and estrogen levels in women. (A low level of estrogen is linked to loss of sexual desire in women.) And best of all, Black Cohosh Root has no known cancer-causing agents. Black Cohosh Root is the most popular herbal supplement in Europe for women experiencing premenopause symptoms. It provides isoflavones and other constituents that help support a woman’s health during this phase of her life.
Last but not least; Check out the African Fertility Statues at
[url]http://www.ripleys.com/home.htm [/url]
CoreynHope
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My husbands insurance sucks to put it bluntly. He make good money though it is not enough to cover IVF. His insurance does not cover any thing regarding infertility. And I did ask my OB about the cath procedure or the lap and he said in his opinion if tubal adhesions formed in just 5 months after the TR the likelyhood of them coming back was very very good. I would like to talk to Dr Berger about a possible repeat surgery. Im just so frusterated right now. My tubes are 7.5 on both sides so I guess there is plenty there for a repeat surgery. And if its not hard enough to deal with I have people saying the Surgery was a waste of money, and I sould have know it wasnt going to work. And I cant get them to understand that waht Dr Berger did was great...the dye flowed past the repair site but stopped at the ends. Anyway thanks for all of your support and I will get in touch with Dr Berger and see what is involved in a repeat surgery.
Tlm
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Yeah, he does the surgery again....but you have to pay for it. Which is understandable. I think you lose more of your tube lengths, don't you? My husband wants us to have it done again if my tubes are blocked. I'll have to get up the nerve to do it again. I was scared out of my mind the first time.

Tammy
DayBreen
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I have seen a few ladies talk about their tubes being blocked today. Doesn't Dr. B do a repeat surg. if this happens after he does the first? I thought I read something on the site somewhere about that?? Is this not an option??
jacinda
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I am so sorry for you, I hope they can do something. Why does IVF have to be so expensive! Arggg. Sending hugs your way.
Jacinda
amyarnold
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You have been through to much to give up now.I do not know you but I do know what we go through after a TR.God will bless you.God didn;t bring you this far just to let you go.Keep the faith.
TheMzD
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CoreynHope - dont give up yet - like Sue stated there are methods to go in and remove adhesions if the ends of the tubes have blocked. Has Dr B reviewed the films yet? Maybe he'll see something different - regardless, check into other options there are ways other than IVF.

Best of luck,

Kay
themomnt
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did you ask about the procedure they can do to go in and check for and remove adhesions???? It seems as though there would be plenty you can still do to get the tubes working and I believe insurance covers a lot of them. I just met with my specialist yesterday and he is doing one of those procedure where they go into the tube with a small cathedar... I can't remember the name.. at any rate it is worth investigating..
also depending on the state you live in the insurance laws have changed... check into it.
there is a web page that lists employers who cover IVF for their employees.. maybe a job change can help??? Never say never.. you are still so young..
hang in there.
SUE
CoreynHope
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Well ladies I guess the journey ends here for me...I am 28 with one child and they way it looks he will be the only one. I had a repeat HSG yesterday and the results were identical to the last one. Dye flowed to the very end of each tube but there was no "spill". My ob said the tubes look great but there is definate blockage at the very end of both tubes. My only option now is IVF which is way to expensive. It has been great getting to know each one of you and listening to your stories. For those of you have not gotten you BFP keep looking up and hopefully your dreams will come true.
 
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